Washington State Attorney General (Democrat of course) Says Jail-Time for not Accepting Government Gay Marriage (Updated with FB Convo & Video)

Of course these stories are becoming more plentiful, Via Libertarian Republican:

You will go to jail for not accepting government gay marriage, says WA State Democrat AG. From the SeattleTimes, State sues florist over refusing service for gay wedding:

The state attorney general has filed a lawsuit in Benton County Superior Court against a Richland florist who refused to provide flowers for the wedding of longtime gay customers, citing her religious opposition to same-sex marriage. The state’s suit against Barronelle Stutzman, owner of Arlene’s Flowers and Gifts, came just days after the Attorney General’s Office wrote to ask that Stutzman reconsider her position and agree to comply with the state’s anti-discrimination laws.

“Under the Consumer Protection Act, it is unlawful to discriminate against customers on the basis of sexual orientation,” Attorney General Bob Ferguson said in a statement. “If a business provides a product or service to opposite-sex couples for their weddings, then it must provide same-sex couples the same product or service.”

In LR’s newest post, they make a point by saying: “Jewish Florist in Seattle forced to sell Flower arrangement to Neo-Nazis for Hitler Birthday Celebration.”

Obama Awards Racist Highest Honor

A civil rights icon who gave the benediction at President Obama’s inauguration said that he believed ‘all white people were going to hell’.

The Reverend Joseph Lowery, 91, was speaking at a rally in Georgia.

According to an account in the Monroe County Reporter: ‘Lowery said that when he was a young militant, he used to say all white folks were going to hell.

‘Then he mellowed and just said most of them were. Now, he said, he is back to where he was.’

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The point is, if one is a hate crime? Why isn’t the other considered such? In other words, President Obama shouldn’t have awarded the top civilian medal to a racist… unless Obama is a racist?


Interesting FB questions/comments and input on this story:

One friend writes:

If this florist is not a “Religious institution or business” it should allow its services without discrimination toward its buyers or customers, as well as employees who may be homosexual. I dont think this is Gay Marriage Tyranny, we all have opinions and we all have facts, hopefully, to build our opinions off of, but being a public service, or public business, they cannot discriminate on race, color, ethnicity, sex, sexual orientation, against hippies, or police officers, or punk rockers, or business men, or whatever.

Only in the event that they cause the business harm, can the business owner, or manager refuse service. Its kind of the same thing with Adoption agencies. These are public businesses, not so much religious institutions. It is the owners rights to close down or move its business if it doesn’t want to comply with the laws, but it is not necessarily their right to refuse service because they don’t believe its right or wrong. Remember the Chik Fila thing. They can believe what they want, but it doesn’t stop them from serving people food, regardless of their beliefs.

I know the attacks on the Institutions are coming and I hope you know Sean that I agree with you on the Christian Stance in all things. We can come up with non-faithful reasons to argue our points as well but #1 is that God is first among all things. If God is really first to this florist, then she should understand that selling flowers to someone is not condoning their behavior or their sexual orientation, its simply providing a service in which someone is paying for something. If she didn’t know they were Gay, she would have sold them flowers irregardless and this wouldn’t be a sin.

The only other option for this florist is to Close down shop. IF she really feels so strongly about it being a sin and that providing flowers for this couple would make God mad or upset with her, and the owner really loves God, then putting Him first means closing up shop. In her mind of course.

What do you think Sean?

Another friend:

What ever happened to “We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone”?

The first friend responds:

It doesn’t give the owners the right to Really refuse ANYONE. For example they can’t refuse you service because your wearing a blue shirt, or a hat. It can’t be some arbitrary reason. Maybe if your being offensive, or wearing something offensive, overly having a Public Display of Affection.

I respond:

Economics 101

Link through picture as well, to the section EVERYONE should read… click “Victicrats Should Take Economics 101”

I am very busy this last week-and-a-half leading up to my cruise… so I will quickley say that yes, if homosexuality were immutable, like skin color [ethnicity], I would say you would have a point. But if a person wants to not serve someone who doesn’t have shoes on, who skins animals, or prefers to catch instead of pitch… they have the prerogative to do so. Let the free market work, see the section “Victicrats Should Take Economics 101” http://tinyurl.com/ck4vcck

My wife’s family member gives her input:

I am a professional vocalist and I sing for numerous weddings. I would not sing for a same sex ceremony. I have refused to sing for weddings that I did not support – even though they were a man and woman. Does this mean that now I could be sued for refusing to take the job if offered by a gay couple? A marriage is more than just a ceremony to me. It truly is a Faith issue for me. I find it hard to believe that if I (or a florist) choose to refrain from extending my talents and abilities for hire to someone that I do not support in their marital decision than I lose MY rights. This is CRAZY and out of CONTROL. I am sure there are plenty of gay florists out there – They would probably appreciate the business.

I chime in:

Great point, would a person lose his or her right to not provide a service to a couple who didn’t get per-marital counseling from a pastor? Are they disenfranchised? Or can they simply take their business elsewhere? They should simply take their business elsewhere. That is what the free-market is for.

For the record, I would have provided the flowers, seeing that it would have been a great opportunity to befriend and witness to a lost world.

Cable News Race ~ First Quarter (2013)

(Via Breitbart) Per TVNewser, in total viewers, Bill O’Reilly, The Five, Sean Hannity, Special Report with Bret Baier, and nine other Fox News Channel (FNC) shows topped everyone else in cable news for the first quarter of 2013. In the 25-54 demo, FNC had the top six programs. In total viewers, the top MSNBC program came in at 14th, the top CNN program came in 19th. Piers “gun grabber” Morgan came in 21st; Erin Burnett came in 30th.

Keep in mind that while Fox is still at the top, all cable news lost viewers, via NewsMax:

Every cable news network saw its ratings drop from 2012 levels, following a banner year for political coverage.

Fox and CNN took the biggest hits, falling 33 percent and 28 percent, respectively, The Huffington Post reported.

However, Fox News continued to dominate the leaderboard in the first quarter of 2013, marking 45 consecutive quarters, more than 11 years, as the highest-rated cable news network.

And despite declines among younger viewers, Fox News grew in total viewers in late afternoon programming.

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Follow the link in the pic for some older stats:

 

Professor David Deming Defends Professor Don Easterbrook from the Anti-Science Global Warming Ideology

  • [WUWT note: this article was originally submitted as a “letter to the editor” to the Bellingham Herald, a newspaper that published an attack on Dr. Don Easterbrook. The Herald refused to publish my rebuttal. The executive editor, July Shirley (julie.shirley@bellinghamherald.com) explained “We only print letters from residents of Whatcom County. We are not publishing your letter.”]

Via Watts Up With That? (Seen first at Powerline) Note that there are numerous links in the original post:


I write in rebuttal to the March 31 letter by WWU geology faculty criticizing Dr. Don Easterbrook. I have a Ph.D in geophysics and have published research papers on climate change in the peer-reviewed scientific literature. In 2006 I testified before the US Senate on global warming. Additionally, I am the author of a three-volume history of science.

I have never met Don Easterbrook. I write not so much to defend him as to expose the ignorance exhibited in the letter authored by WWU geology faculty. Their attack on Dr. Easterbrook is the most egregious example of pedantic buffoonery since the Pigeon League conspired against Galileo in the seventeenth century. Skepticism is essential to science. But the goal of the geology faculty at WWU seems to be to suppress critical inquiry and insist on dogmatic adherence to ideology.

The WWU faculty never defined the term “global warming” but described it as “very real,” as if it were possible for something to be more real than real. They claimed that the evidence in support of this “very real” global warming was “overwhelming.” Yet they could not find space in their letter to cite a single specific fact that supports their thesis.

There is significant evidence that would tend to falsify global warming. The mean global air temperature has not risen for the last fifteen years. At the end of March the global extent of sea ice was above the long-term average and higher than it was in March of 1980. Last December, snow cover in the northern hemisphere was at the highest level since record keeping began in 1966. The UK just experienced the coldest March of the last fifty years. There has been no increase in droughts or wildfires. Worldwide hurricane and cyclone activity is near a forty-year low.

One might think that the foregoing facts would raise doubts in scientists interested in pursuing objective truth. But global warming is not so much a scientific theory subject to empirical falsification as it is a political ideology that must be fiercely defended in defiance of every fact to the contrary. In the past few years we have been told that not only hot weather but cold weather is caused by global warming. The blizzards that struck the east coast of the US in 2010 were attributed to global warming. Every weather event–hot, cold, wet or dry–is said to be caused by global warming. The theory that explains everything explains nothing.

Among the gems in the endless litany of nonsense we are subjected to are claims that global warming causes earthquakes, tsunamis and volcanic eruptions. Last year we were warned that global warming would turn us all into hobbits, the mythical creatures from J. R. R. Tolkien’s novels. I am not aware of any member of the WWU geology faculty criticizing these ridiculous claims. Their vehemence seems to be reserved for honest skeptics like Dr. Easterbrook who advance science by asking hard questions.

At the heart of the WWU geology faculty criticisms was the claim that peer review creates objective and reliable knowledge. Nonsense. Peer review produces opinions. Scientists, like other people, have political beliefs, ideological orientations, and personal views that strain their scientific objectivity. One of the most disgusting things to emerge from the 2009 Climategate emails was the revelation of an attempt to subvert the peer-review process by suppressing the publication of work that was scientifically sound but contrary to the reviewer’s personal views.

The infamous phrase “hide the decline” refers to an instance where a global warming alarmist omitted data that contradicted his personal belief that the world was warming. This sort of bias is not limited but pervasive. Neither is science a foolproof method for producing absolute truth. Scientific knowledge is always tentative and subject to revision. The entire history of science is littered with discarded theories once thought to be incontrovertible truths.

The WWU geology faculty letter asserted that technological advances arise from application of the scientific method. They claimed that airplanes were invented by scientists. But the Wright brothers were bicycle mechanics–not scientists. The modern age of personal computing began in a suburban California garage in 1976. The most significant technological advance in human history was the Industrial Revolution in Britain that occurred from 1760 through 1830. When Adam Smith toured factories and inquired as to who had invented the new machinery, the answer was always the same: the common workman. Antibiotics were not discovered through the rigorous application of scientific methodology but serendipitously when Fleming noticed in 1928 that mold suppressed bacterial growth.

Dr. Easterbrook’s contributions have furthered the advance of scientific knowledge and the progress of the human race. It matters not if a multitude of professors oppose him. As Galileo explained, it is “certain that the number of those who reason well in difficult matters is much smaller than the number of those who reason badly….reasoning is like running and not like carrying, and one Arab steed will outrun a hundred jackasses.”

David Deming

Professor of Arts & Sciences

University of Oklahoma

Another Hate-Crime Hoax (Moonbattery) ~ Plus More

An Older hoax

(LifeSiteNews) In yet another example of an alleged “hate crime” unraveling, a young homosexual whose tale of abuse became a national issue has admitted he made the whole thing up.

Joseph Baken admitted in court today that he had perpetrated a hoax by telling police three men had beaten him because he was homosexual, lacerating his face.

Baken initially said he entered the Missoula Club last Saturday to celebrate his 22nd birthday, announced he was gay, and asked for directions to a gay bar. He called the police three hours later, at 4:30 a.m, saying a man had lured him outside to smoke a cigarette, where two other men joined him beating Baken and called him a “fa@#ot.”   

A Moonbattery import, because it is THAT good:

The media must be grateful for hate crime hoaxes. Without them, virtually the only hate crimes would be against the heterosexual white males we are supposed to regard as demons. Another to add to the list:

A minister at a Virginia church faces charges of setting his house and car in Chesterfield County on fire.

Chesterfield County police had investigated the fires as a possible hate crime because a racial slur had been painted on the house. Police believe 41-year-old Olander D. Cuthrell, who is black, painted the slurs on his home before he set it on fire.

Rev. Cuthrell joins a dishonor roll that includes:

✦ Charlie Rogers
Joseph Baken
Alexandra Pennell
Aimee Whitchurch and Christel Conklin
Quinn Matney
Aubriana Banks
Sarah Marshak
Tawana Brawley
Crystal Gail Mangum
Kerri Dunn
Leah Miller
Ahmad Saad Nasim

…et cetera, ad nauseam.

Too bad this didn’t occur in Arkansas during Bill Clinton’s childhood. Then when he pandered for black and moonbat votes by proclaiming, “I have vivid and painful memories of black churches being burned in my own state when I was a child,” he might not have been lying.

So lets, talk about this a bit, and why I have been for years against “hate-crime” legislation. One reason is this:

The Federal Bureau of Investigation’s Hate Crime Statistics Program (fbi.gov), the official source of hate crime data for the United States, constitutes the greatest hate crime hoax of all. Simply put, according to the Hate Crime Statistics Program, “Hispanic” is a victim category, but not a perpetrator category. A racially motivated crime against a Hispanic person by a white person is recorded as an anti-Hispanic hate crime by a white person. But a racially motivated crime against a black person by a visibly non-white Hispanic person is recorded as an anti-black hate crime by a white person (fbi.gov).

Taki lists the top-ten of hate-crime hoaxes, but this list can be much, much, longer. Taki has only listed ten examples but there are dozens and dozens more. This is a great compilation of hate-crime hoaxes from just 1993.

1. “KKK,” “NIG@#R,” AND “BITCH” SCRAWLED ON BLACK VICTIM’S TORSO
In 1987 Tawana Brawley claimed to have been abducted and raped by white cops, who left her to die in the garbage. She said epithets were written on her body upside down in a black substance that resembled charcoal. Brawley was sued for making up the story. She subsequently converted to Islam.

2. SWASTIKA PAINTED ON TALK-SHOW HOST’S FOREHEAD
In 1989, Morton Downey, Jr. claimed that Nazi skinheads painted a swastika on his forehead in an airport bathroom. Then people noticed the swastika was backwards, which is how it would be drawn if you did it yourself in front of a mirror.

3. SWASTIKA AND “BURN NIG@#R BURN” SPRAY-PAINTED ON CRIPPLED BLACK LESBIAN CANCER VICTIM’S HOUSE
A cancer-stricken black lesbian in a wheelchair was subjected to the visceral hatred of some stranger who spray-painted “Burn Nig@#r Burn” on her house. Police got suspicious and installed a surveillance camera, which revealed said black lesbian lighting a cross on fire. She also wasn’t handicapped and had even shaved her eyebrows to try and convince people she was undergoing chemo.

4. ANOTHER BLACK MAN DRAGGED BEHIND A TRUCK
In 1998, the same year James Byrd was dragged behind a truck, a black drug dealer named Cornelius Weaver said the same thing happened to him. It was investigated as a hate crime until Weaver was forced to admit his wounds were the result of getting the shit kicked out of him in a drug deal gone wrong.

5. RACIST HATE LETTERS SENT TO BLACK STUDENTS
In 2005, Alicia Hardin convinced authorities that racists were sending hate mail to nonwhite kids in her class. The Chicago school got so spooked, they relocated minority students to a motel. Alicia was sent to jail for sending the letters herself.

6. WHITE COLLEGE STUDENTS GANG-RAPE BLACK GIRL
In 2006 members of the Duke University lacrosse team were accused of gang-raping a black stripper. Everyone from Al Sharpton to local District Attorney Mike Nifong jumped on this “hate crime” and ruined the kids’ lives while stoking racial tension across the nation. In the end, the only people who went to jail were Nifong and the black stripper.

7. NOOSE ON COLUMBIA PROF’S DOOR
In 2007, Columbia professor Madonna Constantine discovered a noose on her office door. She was under investigation for serial plagiarism, and this incident had the potential to turn her from perp to victim. It worked—for a while. Eventually she lost her job and the noose story hit her ass on the way out.

8. CRIME SCENE INCLUDES “NIGGER” WRITTEN IN BLOOD NEXT TO BODY
That same year, Penn State football player and pot dealer Langston Carraway was found stabbed to death with the word NIGGER written next to him in his own blood. The black community was furious the story wasn’t getting more coverage until they learned Carraway was stabbed by another black football player who needed money to pay off some debts (including money owed for a tattoo). Though stories like this represent a tiny fraction of the news, 93% of black murder victims are killed by other blacks.

9. “KILL THE GAY” PAINTED ON LESBIANS’ GARAGE
On Saturday, we learned of two Colorado lesbians who had their garage door vandalized with the hateful slogan above. They felt very passionate about capturing the perpetrator until the police did a scan for spray paint on the lesbian’s hands. One of the lesbians is now being charged with criminal mischief.

Number 9: One Crazy Hoax!

(Telegraph) Lesbian couple FAKED hate crime by painting their OWN home with ‘Kill the Gays’ to frame neighbors after spat over dogs

A lesbian couple that claimed their neighbors spray painted ‘Kill the Gay’ on their condo are being accused by the police for doing the deed themselves.

The Douglas County Sheriff’s Office in Colorado has issued a warrant for Aimee Whitchurch, 37, and Christel Conklin, 29, for forgery, false reporting and criminal mischief.

In October of 2011, the women claimed they were the victims of a horrible hate crime, saying that members of their Homeowner’s Association threatened their lives, keyed their car and left a noose at their doorstep.

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But an investigation revealed that there was no plot to target the two women, it was all just an apparent cry for attention. Sheriff’s spokesman, Cocha Hedyen

‘Through the investigation and from witness statements, it was determined that allegations of the incident were false,’…

10. “KKK” CARVED ON LAKOTA ELDER
On Monday, demonstrators in Rapid City, SD marched two miles to the local hospital to protest a group of racist surgeons who had carved “KKK” into an American Indian’s stomach during his triple bypass. The police looked into the allegations and couldn’t see the scarring. The “victim” had to admit he couldn’t see it either because he’s blind.

 

Job Creation Best from Free-Market or Government? plus, FDR vs the Constitution

Via Gay Patriot,

From Zero Hedge,

“Governments are good at creating work, but they are not good at creating value-generating jobs,” is the conclusion from this insightful 3-minute clip from Professor Steve Horwitz. Too often the jobs that politicians ‘create’ are simply to their own benefit. Critically, Horwitz explains that transitions (from agriculture to manufacturing to service to information for instance) are temporarily painful but relatively quickly re-allocated. If, however, politicians attempt to prevent this transition – to stall the free market’s signals – this will halt innovation, growth, and create more poverty (ring any bells). Creating meaningful valuable jobs (something we saw earlier today is not occurring) does not appear too complex – “the best job-creation program in human history is the free market and the entrepreneurship it generates” – it simply means our politicians must get out of the way.

Video description:

President Franklin Roosevelt’s “New Deal,” has long been credited with rescuing the nation from the Great Depression of the 1930’s. Lee Ohanian, Professor of Economics at UCLA, challenges this conventional wisdom in a provocative examination of FDR’s economic policies.

CNN, MSNBC Canceled Interviews Because Gay Son Wouldn’t Criticize His GOP Father (Dennis Prager & Ravi Zacharias Included)

Gays Republics ~ Under-reported

(Source linked in graphic) There’s a rich history of gay Republicans in Arizona politics. They include former state legislator Steve May, former U.S. House of Representatives member Jim Kolbe, state legislator Ed Poelstra, and until recently, former Tempe mayor Neil Giuliano, and Phoenix City Councilman Tom Simplot.

UPDATE via Gay Patriot:

Seems CNN’s Piers Morgan is not much interested in the story of “Matt Salmon, the gay son of a Republican congressman” because the young man “refused to criticize his father, who is not a supporter of same-sex marriage.”  As Paul Mirengoff writes at Powerline:

The rejection of guests because they won’t serve as props to further the host’s simplistic narrative isn’t confined to CNN and MSNBC. I experienced it with a well-known Fox News talk-show host.

But using a son as a prop to bash his father seems to carry the joke too far. Moreover, O’Donnell and Morgan are missing the real story of the Salmons and the Portmans — the loyalty that stems from family love. Matt Salmon is loyal to his father; Rob Portman is loyal to his son.

Wonder who is going to examine the prejudices of Mr. Morgan (and Lawrence O’Donnell at MSNBC).  He seems to be assuming that because a man doesn’t support gay marriage, his son must need [to] criticize him.

Maybe we’re not as polarized on gay marriage as the sensationalist coverage of the issue makes it appear….

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NewsBusters has this:

According to BuzzFeed, the gay son of a Republican congressman claims both CNN and MSNBC canceled interviews with him after he refused to criticize his father, who opposes same-sex marriage, on the air. He said CNN producers were “gung ho” about an interview before they changed their mind.

CNN’s Piers Morgan Live and MSNBC’s The Last Word were the two shows that reportedly canceled on Matt R. Salmon, son of Rep. Matt Salmon (R-Ariz.). Sources from both networks responded to BuzzFeed, denying that they dropped him because of his refusal to criticize his father.

“They seemed very gung ho about it,” Salmon said of Piers Morgan Live on local news channel KPNX. “And then when I was talking about how supportive I was of my father, and how I was unwilling to be negative, they seemed to lose interest. And all of a sudden their show got jammed, and they couldn’t fit me in.”

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Video Description:

Dennis Prager devotes an hour (without adds, an half-an-hour) to the great issues each week. (Posted by: https://religiopoliticaltalk.com/) This hour dealt with children coming out and telling parents they are gay, and all the ramifications that come with that: love, fear, misunderstandings, keeping one’s convictions on ideals, and the like. Parents call in and share their experiences… one caller hashes out the issue of loss of faith in her son based on this topic and probably realigns (matures) in her thinking on the issue a bit. While I do not fully agree with how Dennis views the issue, I am close on it, and so, recommend Dennis’ input on it. The previous weeks dealing with this can be found here: http://youtu.be/kDh4gZ2yaMg

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For more clear thinking like this from Dennis Prager… I invite you to visit: http://www.dennisprager.com/

How does a Christian answer, lovingly, this issue? Apologist Ravi Zacharias gives us a template to work from:

BREAKING: The Iron Lady, Margaret Thatcher, Passes

See NewsBusters story on this. Via SkyNews (Drudge)

…Britain’s Iron Lady, has died after suffering a stroke at the age of 87.

Her children Mark and Carol Thatcher announced that their mother had died peacefully following a stroke this morning.

Speaking to Sky News, spokesman and friend Lord Bell, who announced her death, said: “We’ll never see the like of her again. She was one of the great prime ministers of all time and transformed people’s lives.”

He described the former prime minister, a grocer’s daughter from Grantham, as the greatest leader of the Conservative Party with the exception of Winston Churchill.

[….]

Baroness Thatcher, Britain’s first and only woman prime minister, had become increasingly frail and was suffering ill health in recent years.

Iron Lady vs. Socialism

Liberal policies view lower income for the poor and the richer as a good thing as long as the gap is closer… our same struggle today. These brief exchanges took place during Margaret Thatcher’s last speech in the House of Commons on 22 November 1990. Read the complete transcript for this speech here.

(Continued)

She was admitted to hospital shortly before Christmas where she underwent an operation to remove a growth from her bladder but was allowed to return home before new year.

Prime minister between 1979 and 1990, she has been credited with transforming a nation in one decade, putting Britain back among the leading industrial nations of the world.

She became loved and loathed in equal measure as she crushed the unions and privatised vast swathes of British industry, as she led the Tories to three election victories.

Tough beyond measure, she was nicknamed the Iron Lady by a Russian journalist in 1976 for her opposition to Soviet communism. It is a moniker that stuck and was the title of a film in which Meryl Streep took the title role, which was released in 2011.

She was also memorably described by the then French president Francois Mitterrand with the back-handed compliment that she had the “eyes of Caligula and the mouth of Marilyn Monroe”.

Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg said: “Margaret Thatcher was one of the defining figures in modern British politics.

“Whatever side of the political debate you stand on, no-one can deny that as prime minister she left a unique and lasting imprint on the country she served.

“She may have divided opinion during her time in politics but everyone will be united today in acknowledging the strength of her personality and the radicalism of her politics.”

Despite her toughness, few will forget the pictures of Baroness Thatcher leaving Downing Street for the last time with her husband, Sir Denis, and tears in her eyes.

“Marriage Is Old Fashioned If You Want to Have Kids” ~ Katty Kay

Is this “new dynamic” good for the continued health of the American way, or will it push us further towards a European way of viewing society? Two Books I highly recommend will be after the video:

Via NewsBusters:

Although Kay wasn’t necessarily advocating for single parents, the statistics concerning that are scary (via SingleParentSuccess.org):

  • In 1995, nearly six of 10 children living with mothers only were near the poverty line. About 45 percent of children raised by divorced mothers and 69 percent by never-married mothers lived in or near poverty, which was $13,003 for a family of three in 1998.
  • 75% of children/adolescents in chemical dependency hospitals are from single-parent families.
  • More than one half of all youths incarcerated for criminal acts lived in one-parent families when they were children.
  • 63% of suicides are individuals from single parent families.
  • 75% of teenage pregnancies are adolescents from single parent homes.

There’s no question that children growing up with both of their parents fare far better in life than any other domestic arrangement.

With such statistics readily available, it’s sad to see a member of the media call it old fashioned to marry before having kids.