A CNN panel falsely claimed that abortion is moral and human life doesn’t begin at conception. Dennis Prager explains why this argument directly violates science and reason. MOONBATTERY notes:
…In the video below, a moonbat proclaims with a straight face that an unborn baby is not a human being. That is conventional insanity, of the type treated at psychiatric hospitals.
Meanwhile, the supremely odious Chris Cuomo desperately clings to the argument that it doesn’t matter if babies are human beings so long as they are not legally regarded as persons. If only they had realized this during the Nuremberg Trials, some Nazis might have escaped the rope.
Craziest of all is the underlying liberal belief that abortion is moral….
(MOONBATTERY hat-tip) Abortion is the ultimate sacrament in the liberal religion. Even to acknowledge the prolife point of view — let alone agree with it — is considered beyond the pale. How can something so awful have such intense proponents? Dave Morrison finds that the most vehement abortion enthusiasts are often childless middle-aged women who, rather than face the horror of their mistakes, attempt to cast their errors as virtue:
“He kills people for a living… by his own standard.” — Dr. Mike Adams
(Via the DAILY WIRE) On Thursday, February 21, the University of North Carolina-Wilmington hosted a debate on abortion, which was organized by the College Democrats and College Republicans, among others:
The DAILY WIRE article notes the reason they posted the above debate:
The hour and a half-long debate also featured a Q&A in which the two professionals took questions from the crowd. At the 1:19:42 mark, a man asks Adams about the commonly discussed “rape exception” as it pertains to abortion.
Yep, good stuff.
This debate “TRIGGERED” 😤 (joking) in my memory a short conversation between Dr. Mike Adams and myself and a good book by him, “Letters to a Young Progressive: How to Avoid Wasting Your Life Protesting Things You Don’t Understand.” I complained about a lack of (none in fact) footnotes to reference his quotes and some of his positions in it. (The part I wish to note is at the 11:50 to 12:10 mark above.) This is not a “take-down” of professor Adams at all. We probably agree 99% on the varied topics of politics and faith. It is however, a call to better scolorshipo of anyone writing a book, even if they intend it to be a quick read.
Just some feedback on your most recent book. Obviously it is geared for a “postmodern” audience. I had to put it down due to the lack of footnotes/references.I put down all books without them. I love your work, but the work reminded of Sean Hannity’s non-referenced screeds. Sorry to be so harsh… but no footnotes? Do your students get it that easy?
Dr. Adams makes a point about the direction of his book, linked above:
The footnotes were removed to make it resemble an email conversation. Emails don’t have footnotes. Come on.
To which I simply respond,
My emails do. At any rate, maybe the softcover will include them? I will then buy it and read it. Much thought your way. By-the-by, you up at Summit right now? If they ever talk about getting a speaker who combines choices and worldviews, keep me in mind. I am a “retired” ex-con.
The response by Dr. Adams was a funny quip that I laughed at then over Facebook and would laugh at if we were sharing some beers and time together as brothers in Christ. Here was his last point (where I chose to leave it):
Oh, yes, Sean. Will have the editor put them back in just so you’ll read it.
I merely responded: “Hahaha, yes.” My most recent note to Professor Adams was this (remember, I am picking up a conversation from May, 2013):
I just watched your wonderful take down of illogical positions by Dr. Parker. But I wish to note your point about “footnotes” in Parker’s book, and our discussion from 2013 — archived above.
Here is the convo from today, Dr. Adams:
That is why I did not use my book to establish when life begins. Your “point” is thus irrelevant.
My last response is,
All I am saying is that (as an example), is, on pages 31-33* (and others) when you separate out quotes [or] definitions, that the poli-sci person or someone grabbing the book from the sociology section of the book store could further their understanding FROM your book. Obviously this is a dead horse, but I encourage you in future endeavors to at least add some for context and reference for the bibliophile, thus encouraging even the millennial reader to further their reading scope. Blessings to you and yours Dr. Adams, from, “Still a Huge Fan and Supporter of all You Write and Do.”
Dr. Adams may be emotional that some yahoo he doesn’t know is telling him how to write a book. But I would encourage all who write books should include some power to their own references, thus separating out opinion versus factual claims.
* Pages 31-33
Even in theology if a person quotes Scripture, they don’t merely say “Matthew,” or, “Deuteronomy,” — they note chapter and verse.
I wanted to post a meme here I saw on a friends site (of a differing political persuasion than I) with some conversation in the mix as well. (Note: the woman on the strain starts out the comments, FYI… and my friend [a male] responds.) I also wish to say his Facebook is full of these memes… none of which are really defensible. All he would revert to is name calling. At any rate, “enjoy.”
And here is the convo:
My response to this is thus:
Firstly, the meme doesn’t make any sense… so commenting on it as if it portrays anything in reality (the top 1% getting rich) is laughable.
An article in New Scientist speaks to the declining birth rates in the West and why rich people who own companies NEED workers that often time illegal immigration provides for cheap:
So, as the West (to lesser extent America) cannot replace it’s working class, or, if everyone goes to college and thinks a degree should offer them a white-collar job… companies (typically owned by the rich) have to find cheap labor. And why pay legal immigrants “x” when illegal immigrantx get paid “b” and save the rich money?
Also, if anyone was getting rich it is the abortion doctors. For instance, Carol Everett opened up multiple abortion clinics with he goal of becoming wealthy. I read here book many moons ago and the abortion industry is a money maker.
…We opened and the first month we did 45; 65; 85, and the last month I was there, with two clinics functioning in the Dallas area, we did over 500 abortions a month in that clinic. I was compensated at the rate of $25.00 per case, plus one-third of the clinic’s, so you can imagine what my motivation was. I sold abortions. I had made $150,000; was on target in 1983 to make about $260,000; and when we opened our five clinics, I would have been taking home about a million dollars a year. I expected to make more than that after we were really functioning….
Take note another recent under-cover video showing the greed involved in the abortion industry and the money to be made:
Dr. Mary Gatter, president of Planned Parenthood’s Medical Director’s Council and current medical director of Planned Parenthood of Pasadena and San Gabriel Valley in California, has been caught on tape haggling over price for the procurement of intact fetal body parts in a second video released today by The Center for Medical Progress.
In the video, Gatter makes it very clear that compensation for tissue is always done. She hesitates to throw out a “lowball” figure to the buyers posing as representatives of a fetal tissue procurement organization, but begins at $75 per specimen, only to agree to up to $150 later in the video. While Gatter claims she doesn’t want it to appear that they’re “selling tissue,” “there are costs associated with the use of our space.” Gatter even goes so far as to pause during negotiations to say that she would check to see what other California affiliates are being compensated so that “if they’re getting substantially more [than $100 per specimen], then we can discuss it then.”
“The money is not the important thing for me,” Gatter continues, “but it has to be big enough that it makes it worthwhile for me….” She later comes back to her point that if the compensation isn’t near what other affiliates are getting, “we can bump it up,” then laughs, “I want a Lamborghini.”…
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Another point I wish to make is in the conversation portion. No one “villainizes women,” and, in fact, any pro-life ministry I have ever had contact with dotes over the women who have had abortions. In fact, Norma McCorvey (“Roe” in Roe v Wade) wrote a book called “Won By Love,” where she shares the experience of befriending a pro-life woman from a pro-life office that opened up next to the abortion clinic she worked at.
Now, I view doctors that perform partial-birth abortions… or that deliver babies and leave them in utility closets to die of exposure and malnutrition the same way I view doctors who cut off breasts of completely healthy 16-year old girls. With disdain. Shortly after Bill Clinton made partial birth abortion legal with a swipe of his pen, they numbered almost 4,000 a year.
Most were between 5-to-6-months old. Surprise that women support the perceived rhetoric in the conversation from Facebook (excerpted above)… W O M E N by-and-large know that the abortion of a 20-week baby is murder. However, some women still do it… in 2015, there were over 8,296 of these abortions. almost all for financial or familial reasoning.
“I think we have deluded ourselves into believing that people don’t know that abortion is killing. So any pretense that abortion is not killing is a signal of our ambivalence, a signal that we cannot say yes, it kills a fetus.”
Faye Wattleton, former president of U.S. Planned Parenthood
Again, Almost none were performed for a real physical, life threatening reason. Most were done for elective reasons. For example, the gentleman that invented this late-term abortive technique noted:
Before being banned in 2003 [legalized under Obama again], the partial-birth procedure was a preferred method for performing abortions after 20 weeks (see picture on right at this stage of pregnancy). This procedure gained prominence in the early 1990s through Dr. Martin Haskell, who is credited with inventing it. In a 1993 interview with American Medical News, Haskell said:
I’ll be quite frank: most of my abortions are elective in that 20-24 week range…. In my particular case, probably 20% are for genetic reasons. And the other 80% are purely elective….
Richard Feynman once quipped, “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.” With all the rhetoric and pressure a women feels entering into this choice… and the Planned Parentood counselor often sells an abortion by telling the girl or woman it is a bunch of cells, of blob of tissue. That is why women who view a 4D ultrasound of their baby almost always change their minds. (I will add to the end of this strain my opener to my large post dealing with the founder of Planned Parenthood — Jump To It Below.)
And yes, babies are left out to die in utility closets when abortions go wrong. In fact, this is one of the times Obama chose not to vote absent and voted for a bill to allow doctors to legally leave born children to die:
…In a twisted scenario where one bad decision led to even worse results, the parents had been convinced to abort their child after seeing ultra-sounds that showed troubling birth defects. After the abortion, the child was placed in a bed under blankets until the family could return to recover the body. But upon returning and removing the blankets, family members saw the child and realized the ultrasounds had been wrong—the child had been born healthy. Moreover, the child was still alive.
However, the child had been bleeding profusely, and although the hospital immediately began working to save the child’s fleeting life, in the end nothing could be done to save it.
Had this terrible situation arisen in Illinois when Barack Obama was a state senator, it would have been illegal for doctors or nurses to try to save the child once it was discovered alive. For as an Illinois state senator, Obama “voted four times against legislation to protect and care for infants accidentally born alive during late-term abortions.” As Erik Erickson has said: “Obama did not think that a child who was alive and outside the mother’s womb should be considered a child for the purposes of giving the child equal protection rights if it was the mother and doctor’s intention that the child be killed.”
In other words, where death was intended no life could be salvaged.
Thus, it came as no surprise that a House Judiciary Report from 2000 said physicians at one prominent hospital in Chicago had been aborting “healthy infants and infants with non-fatal deformities [and although] many of these babies… lived for hours after birth, no efforts [were] made to determine if any of them could have survived with appropriate medical assistance.”
In one specific example from an Illinois hospital, an aborted baby “left to die on the counter of the soiled utility room wrapped in a disposable towel, was accidentally thrown in the garbage.” Later, when hospital staff realize what had happened and begin looking for the child, they “were going through the trash [and] the baby fell out of the towel and on to the floor.”
So, since the Left like “survivor” stories as somehow more legit than ethical and cultural musings, and since a majority of women are pro-life in some form*, this should REALLY BOLSTER these women’s testimony:
This woman has an incredible will-power and despite having cerebral palsy, as a result of the attempted abortion, she has run the Boston Marathon and even the London Marathon! I’m sure we will be hearing more of her in the future.
Mrs. Melissa Ohden who survived a saline infusion abortion testified at a House Judiciary Committee hearing about Planned Parenthood’s medical procedures. Planned Parenthood has been under fire after videos were released showing how the mega abortion provider sold fetal tissue to researchers. Founder of the Abortion Survivor’s Network, Mrs. Ohden gave this moving testimony in 2015.
To see some late term abortions and other information, see my post HERE.
* …If politicians really want to show that they trust American women, then they should follow the advice of the overwhelming majority of us and restrict abortion in meaningful ways.
This means supporting the president’s action to ban funding of abortion internationally, which is supported by 83 percent of women, and same percentage of all Americans.
This means limiting abortion substantially through legislation. Nationwide, 77 percent of women support limiting abortion to – at most – the first trimester. That is slightly higher than the percentage of all Americans – 74 percent. Laws restricting abortion should be embraced, not resisted.
And 61 percent of women think it is important, or an immediate priority, for our government to restrict abortion in this way, a slightly higher percentage than the 59 percent of all Americans who hold this position.
Not surprisingly, the majority of American women (59 percent) say abortion is morally wrong, the same percentage of all Americans who agree.
And a majority of women (51 percent) believe that abortion causes more harm than good in the long run; 50 percent of all Americans agree.
There’s another thing too. Though abortion advocates use the term “pro-choice” as shorthand for pro-abortion, the polling shows that many – often most – people who identify as pro-choice actually support substantial restrictions on abortion…
Organizations That Help
Before we start this topic, I must say that this treatise is not taking into account the emotional strain that many women encounter before and after an abortion. This is a political, philosophical, and historical dealing with the founding of Planned Parenthood, specifically, Margaret Sanger. I would be remiss and foolish however not to think once this hits “cyber-space” that a confused or hurting young woman might happen to come across this blog. To her I wish to leave behind some links where she can get information or counseling whether in question to “should I get an abortion,” or to look for help for the emotional pain of losing a child to choice. So here are some links to organizations that will help either before or after this “choice” is made:
AFTER ABORTION – This is the web’s most complete source of information on the aftereffects of abortion and post-abortion healing. We have over 500 hundred links to thousands of printed pages of original research, testimonies, articles, and resources. Most of these are drawn from articles and books published by the Elliot Institute, one of the nation’s leading authorities on post-abortion issues.
PATH (Healing After Abortion) – Few people anticipate the agony an individual may go through following an abortion. The physical and emotional stress can be devastating, and often surfaces months or even years after the event. PATH offers hope and healing. Our method is personal, compassionate and non-judgemental. If you are suffering, please be assured that our trained volunteer facilitators will help you find a peace of heart. We will help you face your guilt, anger, isolation and sadness, and help you reconnect with yourself, others, and God.
“How is this possible?” you may wonder. It is possible because we have been there. Eighty percent of our volunteer facilitators have experienced abortion too. But we have discovered that even this experience can be healed. We do not promise to wave a magic wand to take away all of your painful memories, but we do firmly believe that if you trust us and God to walk you through our program, healing will begin.
CRISIS PREGNANCY CENTER – The mission of the CPC is to minister to women. Our ministry focuses on the woman and her needs, offering her acceptance, compassion, accurate information and assistance in bringing her baby to term. We are here to help our clients make an informed decision so that they will, hopefully, choose an alternative to abortion.
The CPC does not refer a client for abortion. (The client is informed of this on the Request for Services form that she signs when she first comes into the center.) We never try to intimidate or control clients. We do not show bloody videos or use scare tactics. Our staff is trained to offer documented information/education and to provide the services offered by the CPC.
There is a myth to the effect that pro-life people care only about the baby and not the woman. If the community views our message as focusing only on the baby, clients will not feel safe about coming to the CPC and talking, especially if they are considering an abortion or have already experienced one. Our goal is to break down that myth by educating the community to know that our client is the woman. We realize that in order to help a child, we must help the child’s mother. She is the only one who can nourish and care for her pre-born child. When we place our focus on helping the woman, she becomes able to reject the ideology that frames the abortion issue in terms of mother versus child. When we place our focus on loving the woman, God can touch her with hope and empower her to choose life.
The final decision about abortion belongs to the client; however, we want our client to know that our door is always open to her. The client needs to know that she can return to the Center in the future even if she should choose to abort. We are here to help her should she experience regret and need help with Post Abortion Stress.
For the guys – NATIONAL FATHERHOOD INITIATIVE– To improve the well-being of children by increasing the proportion of children growing up with an involved, responsible, and committed father.
In a good bit today on the Glenn Beck Radio Program, a New York Times story that “fact-checked” the State of the Union Speech was itself run through the grinder. I include a short Stephanie Ruhle (MSNBC) audio clip, and then Brian Stelter (CNN) gets “fact-checked himself. Good clip to link in a response to a Leftist. Glenn and Stu (Steve Burguiere) are in their zone here. The segment that followed this section can be see HERE.
See also an excellent article at THE FEDERALIST entitled, “The State Of American ‘Fact-Checking’ Is Completely Useless“.
In another great segment Glenn Beck and Stu (Steve Burguiere) discuss where the New York Times and the Washington Post’s fudging their quotes and intended meanings. NATIONAL REVIEWhas an excellent rebuttal to this in their article entitled, “Trump Was Right about New York’s Abortion Law”. In it we read:
The text of the law bears out rather than contradicts Trump’s comment. So long as the abortionist is willing to say that an abortion is necessary to protect the pregnant woman’s health — including emotional health — the abortion can take place at any time before or after 24 weeks. Two decades ago, during a debate over similar legislation, late-term abortionist Warren Hern explained that he would always testify that an abortion he wished to perform would avert adverse health consequences (Frank Murray, “Daschle Ban May Not Ban Anything; Abortionists Could Use Own Judgment,” Washington Times, May 15, 1997).
By the by. That article is probably the most many read about the abortion debate. I doubt they would have read “Grand Illusions: The Legacy of Planned Parenthood,” or, “Killer Angel: A Short Biography of Planned Parenthood’s Founder, Margaret Sanger.” Or “Pro-Life Answers to Pro-Choice Arguments,” or, “The Case for Life: Equipping Christians to Engage the Culture.” Neither do they watch or listen to women who survived abortions, like, Gianna Jessen, or Rebecca Keissling. Or listen to presentations LIKE THESE:
Why complicate things with history and facts and debate. But I digress. Here is my response:
Thank you KR. You will note all points of views are welcome here. It keeps me sharp by memorizing stuff because I read it again and write it again. I lead off my “CULTURAL ISSUES” Page (http://religiopoliticaltalk.com/cultural-issues/) with some of my posts on the matter.
Here is my response to Snopes:
The new law still imposes some restrictions on when late-term abortions can be performed, even as it loosens others:
“A health care practitioner licensed, certified, or authorized under title eight of the education law, acting within his or her lawful scope of practice, may perform an abortion when, according to the practitioner’s reasonable and good faith professional judgment based on the facts of the patient’s case: the patient is within twenty-four weeks from the commencement of pregnancy, or there is an absence of fetal viability, or the abortion is necessary to protect the patient’s life or health.”
It redefines a “person” as “a human being who has been born and is alive.” And many do not know that the same day Roe v Wade was passed, Doe v Bolton was as well. This allows the “health of the mother” a wide variance of meanings. So if a mother see’s here baby has a cleft palate, this causes her undue stress/mental anguish, she is allowed to get a late-term abortion. The mother says that the extra burden of financial strain in having a child causes her undue stress/mental anguish, she can have a late-term abortion. in many states, New York just went all in however.
In the third trimester the law could forbid women to have an abortion, unless the abortion is necessary to preserve her “life or health.” In Doe v. Bolton, Roe’s companion case, the Supreme Court defined the word “health” in such broad terms that it is virtually impossible for a state to protect the unborn. The majority opinion of Doe v. Bolton stated, “The medical judgment may be exercised in the light of all factors—physical, emotional, psychological, familial, and the woman’s age—relevant to the well-being of the patient. All these factors may relate to health.”
(Side-note: both women involved in those cases became pro-life advocates and apologized often for their legalizing the killing of babies. “Roe,” Norma McCorvey wrote a wonderful book called “Won by Love.”)
The previous homicide law in New York said “conduct which causes the death of a person or an unborn child with which a female has been pregnant for more than 24 weeks” as a felony offense, has been taken off the penal code by the newly passed legislation. Partial-birth abortions were already at a rate in the late 90’s of 3,000 to 5,000 times annually – nationwide. New York merely removed all restrictions on it.
“I think we have deluded ourselves into believing that people don’t know that abortion is killing. So any pretense that abortion is not killing is a signal of our ambivalence, a signal that we cannot say yes, it kills a fetus.” ~ Faye Wattleton, former president of U.S. Planned Parenthood
Another friend posted at the same time:
The Snopes article doesn’t mention Doe v Bolton, probably because if you add that to the information they give, it is damning to their case.
Snopes might be neutral on urban legends, but the liberal politics of the owners of the site come through with incredible bias on every political article.
So now Virginia is doing the same as New York… Virginia could soon be joining New York in repealing restrictions on abortion, including terminations up until the moment of birth, under the provisions of a bill backed by Governor Ralph Northam and a substantial number of Democratic lawmakers. The Repeal Act, introduced as HB2491 by Delegate Kathy Tran (D-Springfield), would repeal restrictions on third trimester abortions, allow abortion doctors to self-certify the necessity of late term procedures, eliminate informed consent requirements, repeal abortion clinic health and safety standards, permit late term abortions to be performed in outpatient clinics, remove ultrasound requirements, and eliminate Virginia’s 24 hour waiting period.
Gilbert:So how late in the third trimester could a physician perform an abortion if he indicated it would impair the mental health of the woman?
Tran:Or physical health.
Gilbert:Okay. I’m talking about mental health.
Tran: I mean, through the third trimester. The third trimester goes all the way up to 40 weeks.
Gilbert: So to the end of the third trimester?
Tran: Yes. I don’t think we have a limit in the bill.
Gilbert:So where it’s obvious that a woman is about to give birth, she has physical signs that she’s about give birth, would that still be a point at which she could still request an abortion if she was so certified? [pause] She’s dilating?
Tran:Mr. Chairman, you know, that would be a decision that the doctor, the physician, and the woman would make.
Gilbert: I understand that. I’m asking if your bill allows that.
(A year ago) Susan B. Anthony List’s Jill Stanek shares her horrifying experience when she, as a nurse, witnessed babies being aborted alive and left to die. She shares why the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Abortion Protection Act is so important.
WARNING: The following story and video show graphic footage of an aborted baby.
A heartbreaking new video shows an abortionist holding up the head of an aborted baby. The video has gone viral on Facebook as people are sharing it to help expose the brutal reality of how abortion kills babies.
In a disturbing and heartbreaking video shared to Facebook by In His Image Ministries, an abortionist can be seen siphoning through the body parts of a preborn child he has just moments before killed through abortion. He even holds the head of the preborn baby up for camera and measures a tiny foot.
“Basically, piecing the fetal tissue back together,” the abortionist said, describing his actions. “Make sure that we have all of the fragments.” The abortionist claims that too much focus is placed on the preborn baby and the “gory” parts of abortion, but the child’s brutal death isn’t what matters to him.